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See-ThreePeeHoles

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George Bush/Emperor controversy

Mon May 16, 2005 8:04:11 AM #11396 Perm Link

"One of the most surprising elements of this film is Lucas' political statement. "Any one that's not with me, is my enemy," Anakin says at one point, paraphrasing the famous line from a George W. Bush speech. "Only a Sith deals in absolutes," Obi-wan replies. "So this is how liberty dies,” Padmé points out in another scene as Senator Palpatine is laying out his new political strategy. “With a round of applause.""

you all heard this in the news. any thoughts?

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Re: George Bush/Emperor controversy

Mon May 16, 2005 8:55:37 AM #11398 Perm Link

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ok dude don't tell us about the moive unless you put a spoiler on it because some people LIKE ME have not seen it yet and are going to. so you can have your fun by copying the star wars phrases if you like but when it comes to anything about the new moive DON'T TELL US unless we ask ok? GOOD THANKS BYE!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: George Bush/Emperor controversy

Mon May 16, 2005 8:58:58 AM #11399 Perm Link

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Yeah, I'm sure. I don't think Lucas has the smarts to do political inuendo. Move along, nothing to see here. If anyone believes this guy, I'll be surprised.

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Re[2]: George Bush/Emperor controversy

Mon May 16, 2005 9:03:45 AM #11400 Perm Link

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i am not saying i belive everything he says aron but you know as well as i he is being alittle bit of a pest tho.

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Re[3]: George Bush/Emperor controversy

Mon May 16, 2005 9:09:12 AM #11401 Perm Link

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Sorry for the spoiler..let's hope that Anakin pulls through and doesn't become Darth Vader in the new movie, then.

here's one spot where u can read it:

http://ridingsun.blogspot.com/2005/05/episode-iii-anti-bush-diatribe.html

Edited at Mon May 16, 2005 5:14:49 PM

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Mon May 16, 2005 10:00:29 AM #11407 Perm Link

I guess you may have some merit there.

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Ed correctly notes that Lucas's sudden embrace of Kerryesque nuance is a real laugh coming from a guy who divides the Force into a "light side" and a "dark side". Was there a grey side of the Force I missed back there somewhere?

I would suggest to Lucas that he leaves politics out of movies and try to make the movie good. Or is that too hard for you?

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Mon May 16, 2005 10:02:03 AM #11408 Perm Link

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I guess you may have some merit there.

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Ed correctly notes that Lucas's sudden embrace of Kerryesque nuance is a real laugh coming from a guy who divides the Force into a "light side" and a "dark side". Was there a grey side of the Force I missed back there somewhere?

I would suggest to Lucas that he leaves politics out of movies and try to make the movie good. Or is that too hard for you?

amen to that aron

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Wed May 18, 2005 12:26:04 PM #11443 Perm Link

Someone from Slashdot had a thought... quoted here...

Said By SimianOverlord (727643)
As most users of this website must be aware, the original Star Wars was an influential worldwide film whose impact still resonates now, almost 30 years later. Unfortunately, some of the themes in the original Star Wars series have, in my opinion, contributed to the mindset of International terrorism, the cancer we see worldwide today.

That's a controversial statement, so here's some proof. First of all, the side we are supposed to sympathise with were the rebels. Yes, a group of paramilitaries and other non-combatants who were fighting against a classical army structure providing order throughout the galaxy, the Empire. Here's the crux: the rebels never fought the empire in a conventional sense - they knew they would lose. So they went for "soft targets". Does any of this sound familiar??

Let's look at this. The Terrorists/Rebels were repressed by a powerful enemy. Deprived of the means to fight back conventionallly, the Terrorists/Rebels were forced into guerilla tactics - concealment, ambush, and brainwashing (of the innocent small bears). It is the latter action I find most repugnant, morally. The rebels bribed the small bears first with food, then by masquerading as a deity figure encouraged them to attack a local outpost of the Empire. Now, there was no evidence the Empire had been anything other than a benevolent overlord to those bears. They were used shamelessly by the so-called good guys, and no-one raised an eyebrow.

It was the movie "Clerks" which first brought this to my attention. In it, a character made the remark that the partially constructed so called "Death-star" must have been full of innocent tradesmen who had been contracted to work on the military project, their wives, their children, their favorite grandparents. The deaths of these innocent civilians was papered over in the film as nothing more than an impressive explosion. The butcher himself, Skywalker, was portrayed as some sort of hero.

I have heard some argue that the rebels actions were justified by the Empires act in blowing up Aldebaran, Leia's home planet. Firstly I would beg you to remember that history is written by the victors. Did this peace loving planet Aldebaran even exist, or was it mere PsyOps? Did the "Deathstar" (actual name: FreedomLoveMoon) destroy anything larger than an asteroid? We can't tell - the filmmaker takes a biased treatment of the story from the outset, and the rebels conveniently destroyed the evidence. No attempt is made to give the Empire the right to reply to the allegations.

My final point (I have many more but space is limited) is to look at Skywalkers conversion to the rebel cause. Does anyone else see something disturbing in the following description?: He goes out to the DESERT where he meets a religious extremist leader (Kenobi) who fills his head with ridiculous tales, ARMS and TRAINS him and then sets him on a veritable SUICIDE MISSION??? Who can honestly justify this?? PULL THIS FILTH OFF THE SHELVES.

You may never have seen the original movies in this light. But it has been present in your subconscious, and the cultural subconsciousness of your elected leaders. Every time they had an opportunity to make a serious impact into terrorism, it was there, whispering treacherous thoughts of platitude. The dangerous mindset is so subtle it eluded notice, but influenced every decision. George Lucas should be hauled in front of Congress, and then executed. The current global terrorism emergency can be traced back to the moral relativism championed by the Star Wars franchise. He made a quick buck, we got global insecurity. Bastard.

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